Dear Mr. Fogg,

We were left holding the bag when Upline went under, and it is really sad that you want people to subscribe to this magazine for over $27 when we paid for Upline, which we did not get and you were affiliated with. What makes you think that we believe that this commitment will be fulfilled?

Why not be the beacon of the integrity that was preached in Upline and give everyone you left with an unfulfilled subscription to Upline a free year of this e-magazine? Do what is right and make restitution to all of us who were left with nothing but a cancelled check and no magazine.

--Patti Grant


Josephine Gross, Ph.D., responds:

Chris and myself, more than anyone, understand the feeling of loss you were left with after the publishers of Upline went out of business. Chris, former CEO of Upline, and myself, former circulation director of Network Marketing Lifestyles, were both terminated from our positions in September 2000, due to ethical differences.

Together we founded GMG and Networking Times in support of our vision for "Global Prosperity through a Philanthropic Economy" a little over one year after we had left Upline. John Fogg had sold his interest in Upline in1997 and had left the magazine prior to our departure in September of 2000. We came to him, shared our vision, and enlisted him in our quest.

In spite of huge financial losses we all sustained, we decided to "grandfather" all the Upline Lifetime Members and established a process for them to identify themselves for that benefit. Additionally, we offered all former subscribers to both Upline and Network Marketing Lifestyles, who did not receive all of their issues and who subscribed to Networking Times, a two-issue extension to their subscription at no charge.

Then, we teamed up with a former Upline Lifetime Member to create, host and maintain the website as a free public service to all networkers. Admittedly a project still under development, it currently contains over 4500 web pages so far.

We have done everything we could think of to maintain that "beacon of integrity" you speak of throughout the painful demise of Upline and NML and its aftermath; we hope you agree.

--Josephine Gross is co-founder of Gabriel Media Group


John Milton Fogg replies:

Networking Times and Upline are two completely different business enterprises. I sold Upline in 1997. The people I sold it to made it bankrupt. I am truly sorry you are holding a bag; me, too. The one I was left holding--which had included my house, a number of million dollars, 10 years of my life's work and all the residual income that went with it--was left empty. Rather than being the one who "left" you, Patti, I am one of you.

I am here with Networking Times because I believe I am doing what is right: I believe in the mission of this publication, I believe in the men and women who had the courage to start it and keep it going; and I believe that it serves the profession and people of networking, which I always have and always will love and be committed to.

Join us or not, Patti; it will be great if you do.

--John Milton Fogg is Editor in Chief of Networking Times


A Day in the (Customer Service) Life

Although I am generally very impressed with Networking Times, I'm a little disappointed with the folks in charge of subscription sales. Specifically, I just subscribed to the magazine, taking advantage of your promotion of a year's subscription for $77.77 along with the bonus gifts. Problem is, I was expecting Len Clements' audio, "The Coming Boom!" and Mike Litman and Jason Oman's Conversations with Millionaires.

While I highly respect Robert Kiyosaki's work, I already own the program that you sent me, along with most of his other work. While I would be happy to send this copy on to my next prospect, I personally would much rather have received my preferred selections. Is there any way this can be remedied? Please let me know--and do keep up the good work on the mag!


--David Essig


Dear David,

"The Coming Boom!" was something we were offering when we first started; we have long since sold out of those tapes and will no longer be carrying them. We do still offer the option of choosing between the Business School and Conversations with Millionaires. Since you wanted Conversations with Millionaires, I will send you a copy; you can pass the copy of the Business School on to a fence-sitter who can use it. :) Thanks for writing, David, we look forward to hearing more from you as we serve the networking professional.

--Sean Dickens,
Customer Service


Dear Sean,

Thank you for your prompt response. I do appreciate your sending the Conversations book. I want you to know that I have eaten up every issue of Networking Times starting with #1, and I have no intention of ever missing a single one. The unbiased and profound insights to be gained are a true joy. Thanks again!

--David Essig


More Keefer, Please

I woke up this morning to an e-mail from Networking Times and was amazed at the article by Mr. Keefer; it actually opened my eyes to new a understanding of how to enhance my business. I will subscribe to the magazine ASAP. Thank you!

--Tomasina Boyd


No inquiry, just a comment. I am a lifetime subscriber and love the magazine--and I especially love anything by Frank Keefer. Keep up the good work.

--Wanda Kramer


You did it again. Outstanding! What a great article from Frank Keefer, "It's Later Than You Think." Your #1 fan,

--Marc James Hallen


Mr. Keefer truly is a master: teacher, trainer, storyteller, literary mentor. I thank Networking Times (which I believe Mr. Keefer is an integral part of) for publishing his writings, allowing us, the reading public, to learn and grow from his life's experiences and perspectives. Thank you so much.

--Ron Bueneman


Frank Keefer helped launch Networking Times and served as Publisher through its inaugural issue, before passing the baton to current Publisher Bob Proctor. In his role as Publisher Emeritus, Frank continues to work closely with Networking Times, contributing writings for both the print version and for special online articles. We reviewed his book, Reflections of a Master, in our February ("Technology") issue--Ed.