June 2003 Issue
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Unhappy About An Unfulfilled Upline Subscription.

Dear Mr. Fogg,

We were left holding the bag when Upline went under, and it is really sad that you want people to subscribe to this magazine for over $27 when we paid for Upline, which we did not get and you were affiliated with. What makes you think that we believe that this commitment will be fulfilled?

Why not be the beacon of the integrity that was preached in Upline and give everyone you left with an unfulfilled subscription to Upline a free year of this e-magazine? Do what is right and make restitution to all of us who were left with nothing but a cancelled check and no magazine.

--Patti Grant


Josephine Gross, Ph.D., responds:

Chris and myself, more than anyone, understand the feeling of loss you were left with after the publishers of Upline went out of business. Chris, former CEO of Upline, and myself, former circulation director of Network Marketing Lifestyles, were both terminated from our positions in September 2000, due to ethical differences.

Together we founded GMG and Networking Times in support of our vision for "Global Prosperity through a Philanthropic Economy" a little over one year after we had left Upline. John Fogg had sold his interest in Upline in1997 and had left the magazine prior to our departure in September of 2000. We came to him, shared our vision, and enlisted him in our quest.

In spite of huge financial losses we all sustained, we decided to "grandfather" all the Upline Lifetime Members and established a process for them to identify themselves for that benefit. Additionally, we offered all former subscribers to both Upline and Network Marketing Lifestyles, who did not receive all of their issues and who subscribed to Networking Times, a two-issue extension to their subscription at no charge.

Then, we teamed up with a former Upline Lifetime Member to create, host and maintain the website as a free public service to all networkers. Admittedly a project still under development, it currently contains over 4500 web pages so far.

We have done everything we could think of to maintain that "beacon of integrity" you speak of throughout the painful demise of Upline and NML and its aftermath; we hope you agree.

--Josephine Gross is co-founder of Gabriel Media Group


John Milton Fogg replies:

Networking Times and Upline are two completely different business enterprises. I sold Upline in 1997. The people I sold it to made it bankrupt. I am truly sorry you are holding a bag; me, too. The one I was left holding--which had included my house, a number of million dollars, 10 years of my life's work and all the residual income that went with it--was left empty. Rather than being the one who "left" you, Patti, I am one of you.

I am here with Networking Times because I believe I am doing what is right: I believe in the mission of this publication, I believe in the men and women who had the courage to start it and keep it going; and I believe that it serves the profession and people of networking, which I always have and always will love and be committed to.

Join us or not, Patti; it will be great if you do.

--John Milton Fogg is Editor in Chief of Networking Times

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